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    Human Stories with Jill Hazard Rowe

    by Ryan Michael Painter June 1, 2021

    Jill Hazard Rowe reached out in late 2020 and asked if I would be willing to appear on her podcast Human Stories. I wasn't about to turn a Mama Dragon down. It wasn't until March that we were able to sit down to talk. We wore rainbows for our friends (known and unacquainted) at BYU.
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